Section Discussion Backup 2004.03.10

Purpose: Nominate a page or topic for inclusion in the home page.

Plan: Please post any ideas you have for new sections below. If you are familiar with the conventions used on this wiki, CREATE that page here, and start adding to it. It may then be chosen to be on the main page

See Also: Accepted Section Discussion Section Discussion

An Alternate TOC section, because many of us would organize the wiki differently, and this provides healthy branching and different viewponts. (TOC = Table Of Contents)

A section on Software Development would be super usefull, we all should know how to submit bug reports, search for prexisiting software, and know how to make and apply a patch.. modeled after: http://www.subverted.net/wakka/wakka.php?wakka=SoftwareDevelopment

A confiuration section would be nice, rather a configuration file section. Outlining how files like fstab, passwd, et al, work.

Teval 11:36, Mar 6, 2004 (EST)

It would be great if instead of us writing new documentation for each command, the man pages would get integrated and we could build on those instead Koody 17:40, Mar 9, 2004 (EST)

Off_Topic? Where should this go? Wiki_Tips_and_Tricks? Remember, you can sign your name with 4 tildes on an empty line like below: ~ Skyline 22:29, Mar 2, 2004 (EST)

Or if you don't want a timestamp. Fennec 22:06, Mar 5, 2004 (EST)

how about "in the court room". issues such as OS software legalities, SCO v. Linux, OS v. *, licensing, etc, but strictly based on a legal view.

danZenie Try: Discussions : Legal Discussions

How about a section on "Storage configuration". I can contribute material on Linux Software RAID, LVM, and possibly material comparing the various supported file systems. Try: File Systems or: dual boot : File Systems, or Volume Managers

Texastwister 14:07, Mar 3, 2004 (EST)

Perhaps a section on the best way to install gnome from scratch, with a list of dependency etc would be very useful (to me it would have been anyway). Unfortunately I do not have the expertise/time to do this. Anyone who takes up the buck will have my support.

generic_genus 03:33, Mar 2, 2004 (EST)

Try: Desktop Environments : Gnome Installation

Somebody started writing a long FAQ about windows vs linux commands... very cool, I put it here:

Try: Compatibility : Microsoft Windows : Windows to Linux Migration

Hardware
How about a section on hardware. A place to let other know about what will work or not work. I have been playing with an old Zaurus that I got off ebay aand could have used a couple of pointers on the little things that go with it. I learned at least one thing not to do!

pben


 * http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/index.php
 * Jeremy 18:21, Mar 3, 2004 (EST)

See: Hardware Compatibility

I'd like to see a section on Hardware Installation that then branched out into things like configuring ALSA or OSS for soundcards or SANE for scanners. Things like that would be helpful, IMHO.

try: Sound : ALSA  and Hardware : Hardware Drivers  Desktop environments : GUI Hardware Configuration

Oh, and it might be nice to block ads from Microsoft.com in the google ads. There's one now advertising "Get The Facts". I personally could do without seeing that. I'm trying to avoid high-blood pressure.

 have you seen the movie 10 things I hate about you? Microsoft is paying us to do what we love! That should lower your blood pressure!

Flickerfly 09:27, Mar 5, 2004 (EST)

I would like a section on hardware issues (ie: FuBar DVD writer works with Kernal 2.6.XX and up. Hardware : Hardware Compatibility : 2.6 Hardware Compatibility Kernel : Kernel 2.6 : 2.6 Hardware Compatibility Kenng 18:08, Mar 5, 2004 (EST)

Installation Also Try: Distros See Also: Accepted_Section_Discussion

Kernel and Hardware Configuration
Try linking this page under the kernel section... Kernel I have a proof-of-concept mini Wiki - you might take a look to get ideas (copy and improve whatever you like) for the structure. It was supposed to be gentoo-specific but the design is pretty generic.

Here is the link:

http://michaelsen.kicks-ass.net/moinmoin

bmichaelsen

Communication
For all things Jabber, IRC, Gaim, email, et cetera. Fennec 21:59, Mar 5, 2004 (EST)


 * Would this be better handled from the Applications page? Jeremy 13:47, Mar 7, 2004 (EST)

General Linux Administration Concepts
(Maybe find a better name)

Please feel free to edit this section as is beneficial= moved it System Administration Concepts -- They are quite universal... and covered elsewhere... but we do really need to link to them.

this may just be a extention on hardware... and I would like to see a section for laptops as they have thier own needs. Cue 07:07, Mar 6, 2004 (EST)

Ok. I think there are two categories here. Hardware and more general administration. I'll try seperating them out. dircha 07:44, Mar 6, 2004 (EST)

Pulled out hardware specific portions (tacked them to the bottom of the section for now)dircha 08:10, Mar 6, 2004 (EST)

I have added the Hardware section. Do people think that "General System Administration" should be seperate from "Common Tasks" and "Applications"?

David ross 09:38, Mar 6, 2004 (EST)

Maybe others see it differently, but I had understood Common Task to be more orientated to the quick HOWTO. Whereas, for example, Networking and Security are hopefully also will bring longstanding knowledge beyond what would be useful or relevant for many HOWTO users.

I'll try to prune down General System Administration with this in mind, and see what you all think. General System Administration or System Administration dircha 22:31, Mar 6, 2004 (EST)

I think a "libraries" section would be useful.

Try: Libraries then! or do you mean Software Development : Linked Libraries or Shared Libraries or Shared Objects ?

Whoops -- sorry, I forgot to add my username: JohnMG 01:02, Mar 10, 2004 (EST)

Anyhow, I mean that the Main_Page should have a "Libraries" link off of it.

Also, as you suggest, there should be a "Software development" link off of Main_Page with the subcategories that you mention. Either way, This stuff needs to be easily available from the main page, otherwise folks won't be able to find it. If I could edit the Main Page, I'd do it myself, but since I can't, I'm posting here. :)

Hmm... I think "programming tips & tricks" just needs to be renamed "Software development".

No idea who's saying what here, but generalizing and promoting 'Programming Tips & Tricks' to 'Software Development' sounds good to me. I don't see 'Libraries' being top-level, at least at this point in time, though. Top-level under 'Software Development'?

Digiot 03:00, Mar 10, 2004 (EST)

'from power up to bash prompt' -- Try: Step By Step ? or: Step Through

Digiot, the problem (as I see it) with "Libraries" being under "Software Development" is that there's the whole interesting story of how ld.so, ld.so.conf, ldd, etc. all work together so user's programs can get the system to find their libs so they can run. This is an important topic for folks to understand, but doesn't necessarily have anything to do with software development.

It seems to be more of an operating system issue that doesn't fit under any one topic in Main_Page. Can you think of where this useful ld.so info could fit into the LQwiki scheme of things? Hmm... maybe a new heading under the "Commands" page...

JohnMG 04:19, Mar 10, 2004 (EST)

Hm. That's an excellent point. ldd, et al, are (or should be) in Commands already but that doesn't really bring out the connections. As far as 'Applications', it belongs to both sections - no true difference between command and apps to me. Just kind of a vague 'mostly GUI-ish' and 'mostly CLI-ish' divider. :) I'm not sure how much material you'd have in mind - I think it'd make an excellent 'Common Questions and Misconceptions' piece. Tie up all the small bits of material with a lot of links and plenty of discussion.

As far as OS issues, one thing that might be kind of neat is a sort of 'How did I get here?' section on the main page - do a sequence of things 'from power up to bash prompt' and then trace out all the steps to looking at a web page in a GUI browser, with packets flying to and fro. And a section on Libraries could figure into that. Or an 'Under the Hood' section. It is definitely generally important now that you make me look at it right, but I'm still not sure it's large enough or central enough to most people's concerns to be on the main page. And it doesn't seem to fit neatly into anything we've got so far. Any of that sound good?

Digiot 05:05, Mar 10, 2004 (EST)

Nah, actually looking over it and thinking over it again, it probably would work out as a section of commands. Looking at the kernel commands with depmod and all - I can see a library section. And, as there's a system info section in apps, I could see a system info section, with the lspci's and whatnot, in commands, too. I'd personally like to see every command categorized by concept/function as well as alphabetically, so that'd need to be done to achieve that, anyway. just add that info to existing pages.. Digiot 05:18, Mar 10, 2004 (EST)

Digiot -- ok, I'm on it.

JohnMG 14:08, Mar 10, 2004 (EST)